2006-11-16 [Just.Kate]: I just realised that my emotes are 5 pixels too tall. Is that ok? Or should I re-crop them?

2006-11-16 [Ocean Soul]: Re-cropping would be good :)

2006-11-16 [Just.Kate]: What about the two that're 2 pixels over...? I'd have to cut out something, since they're border to border at the moment... =/

2006-11-16 [Ocean Soul]: The size limits are the way they are, no stretching the rules there I fear :/

2006-11-16 [Just.Kate]: =/ I'll see what I can do.

2006-11-16 [Just.Kate]: Alright. I got something that I can work with. :)

2006-11-16 [Teufelsweib]: [Just.Kate], so that you know: your images aren't completely transparent. since they are .png they have a purple background for certain internet servers like Internet Explorer.

2006-11-16 [iippo]: Internet browsers, not servers. But [Teufelsweib] is right, they are not transparent for me.
(And no I can't get any other kind of browser (like Firefox) since I only use public computers, like the ones in my university computer suites -_-)

2006-11-16 [Calico Tiger]: I'm torn between comforting you for having to use IE (or any other sub-browser), and pointing and laughing ;) I'll compromise with a comforting hug while I snicker >:) I wonder what Microsoft has against .png files. They should convert to being able to see them :O

2006-11-16 [True, plain and simple]: Well, IE7 seems to support PNG transparency fine, actually. :P

2006-11-16 [Just.Kate]: :( Cannot upgrade to IE7? I might have to change em to gifs.

2006-11-17 [Ilana]: Internet Explorer is generally sucky. The pngs work fine in my browser (Safari).

2006-11-17 [xido]: I thought about making another one for treasure, and one for dice rolling, but I think I'm done for now. ;)
What do you think?
-will

2006-11-17 [Just.Kate]: All set on Halloween!

2006-11-18 [Sunrose]: [lyubomir], could you separate your entries into the given themes a bit more clearly? It will make things easier later on :)

2006-11-19 [Just.Kate]: Ooo I like [Elegy - gone]'s!

2006-11-19 [Elegy - gone]: Thank you ^_^

2006-11-19 [xido]: I agree, very cute ;)

2006-11-19 [Teufelsweib]: I only know that png.'s are forbidden on the elftown graphics because they aren't transparent.
I hope that they'll do the same to contests, since it's easier to change those images to gif. instead of letting everyone that has IE download some other internet browser.

2006-11-19 [lyubomir]: [Sunrose] ok i will :)

2006-11-19 [lyubomir]: ...better now ?

2006-11-19 [True, plain and simple]: It's better that everyone who has IE just to upgrade to IE7 if at all possible, than to force some restrictions like that. Only some 63% of users use IE6 or below on Elftown now, so that's showing positive change.

2006-11-19 [Teufelsweib]: like [iippo] said, some have to use public computers on which you can't upgrade it.
I am myself half of the time on the laptop of my father, who doesn't want me to download or upload stuff like that.
in that case it's better to enforce such a restriction, since some people just can't get a better browser than IE.

2006-11-19 [iippo]: Yeah. I mean, I'd agree with "lets ignore people with crappy browsers" if it wasn't the case of the pretty much biggest and most common browser around, as IE just happens to be. After a time when most people have IE 7 that'd be fair, but 63% is the majority.
In the case of this contest I'm not that fust since it just looks like the mood icon has a fugly coloured bg, and I probably wouldn't vote for it. As long as people are aware of the fact that their "transparent" images don't look that hot to us "lesser" people (who are the majority.. >_> *cough*). As long as it's a conscious choice by the user to make transparent png's even though it's exclusive, I don't mind, I say let it be in the contest.

2006-11-19 [True, plain and simple]: IE7 is a high priority update for Windows, so the public places that have it still have it because the people in charge of those systems are just too lazy to learn how to make it behave the same, I think. ;)

As long as it's a conscious choice by the user to make transparent png's even though it's exclusive, I don't mind, I say let it be in the contest.
That's essentially what I meant, jah. I just don't want to limit people because there are some non-working browsers out there. That doesn't mean that I don't think those people should have a good viewing experience too, but of course they'll accommodate themselves by picking images that look OK to themselves anyway.

2006-11-19 [Just.Kate]: IE7 is going to be a critical update. This means that most public computers, which run VALID copies of Windows, are going to be mass-updated all at the same time. And if it says that the images are transparent, then perhaps you should vote based on the quality of the emotes, not on whatever craptacualr background your browser put in place. It will not be very long at all before the majority of Elftown will be browsed from IE7. And transparent gifs always have those little noise pixels, which DO ruin the image for everyone.

2006-11-19 [Just.Kate]: My brain must be fried, cause I JUST realised that TP&S basically said the same thing... -_- Sorry.

2006-11-20 [Sunrose]: Please also go ahead and upload the moodimages to the moodpage!
Note: You need wikiprivs to be able to upload transparent moods, if you don't have them yet you can request for them.

2006-11-20 [lyubomir]: you mean me or... ?

2006-11-20 [Sunrose]: Everyone who entered.. :)

2006-11-20 [lyubomir]: well my emos arent transperant ..so do i have to do this ?

2006-11-20 [Sunrose]: They have to be uploaded whether they are transparent or not, but for transparent moodimages you need wikiprivs.

2006-11-20 [Just.Kate]: o_o I'm confused. I thought you werent allowed to enter moods that were on the public moods page...

2006-11-20 [Sunrose]: You're supposed to enter new moods yes, that doesn't mean you can't upload them to the moodspage after you submitted them to the contest.
We can check the date that you uploaded them. It might be a good idea though to leave a note here when you upload them to the moodpage.

Otherwise I think people will forget to upload them to the moodpage in the end, the contest would be pretty pointless in that case.

2006-11-20 [Just.Kate]: Alrighty then! Hows you, by the way? -moves the personal convo to pm-

2006-11-21 [xido]: I added one of the dragon scales to my mood, but only because it was there for a reason.

Also, Lubomir, your images are fine as they are. They are filled with color. The images that the others are talking about has to do with transparent portions.

I don't use transparents anymore, after I saw how they are messed up on Elftown, but I do use jpgs, and I always fill my open space with an ET color, like the greens or baby blue, or a gradient from one of those to black or something to make it look real enough. If it's really worth your time, do them in all the ET colors. ;)

I love the animals. I want to see more animals, but I have made more than my fair share for one contest (my second official ET contest after the RPG character event, for that matter). I like the contests here. It really makes you feel good that a website could use your artwork. It gives you a nice feeling to be a part of something like this. I have only done art trades before these two contests, and hosting the Elftown Water Fountain Design Contest (and I still need to finish the badges for those winners... :S...)
-will

2006-11-21 [xido]: I wondered that....  hmmm.... :/

2006-11-21 [Janouk]: She has already been notified.

2006-11-21 [Ocean Soul]: Good, I never said anything then ;)

2006-11-21 [Sunrose]: [xido]: The problem with your suggestion to use ET's colour as background, is that some people use a different stylesheet and thus have a different colour.
This is the reason people started to create transparent moodicons, so that those people will be able to use them as well.

2006-11-21 [Sunrose]: [Just.Kate]: your moods on the moodpage seem to have a white background, because they were uploaded as jpg's :/
I have put them on hold, maybe you can fix this?

2006-11-21 [Elegy - gone]: Oh, I forgot to mention that I uploaded mine to the mood page! So yeah, consider this the mentioning >.>

2006-11-21 [Sunrose]: I noticed hehe :P

2006-11-21 [Elegy - gone]: Bah, of course =P I swear, you've got eyes everywhere... >.<

2006-11-21 [Sunrose]: x)

2006-11-22 [xido]: Yes, Sunny, but almost any of the greens go together with the look of the website, so they are always a good choice when you can't do transparents (as apparently all gifs from my program give white backgrounds as default when viewed). And woe to those who use alternative stylesheets! Woe indeed! *snickers because he loves the blue style better than all others and uses it himself*

2006-11-22 [Sunrose]: I didn't say they didn't go with the website, I was talking about the stylesheets only. You should hold them in account if you can.
It might actually be better to put your image within a thin black border, so that it doesn't matter. You've done this with your hobby-moods :)

2006-11-22 [Rozy]: Hey, so my mood thingers are too wide I think. How do I know how many pixles they are? Can someone please help me?

2006-11-23 [Janouk]: What you can do is right-click on one of your moods-icons, then you click 'properties'. You can see here how wide and high your moods are.

2006-11-23 [Ilana]: Ooh... neat. I didn't know that could be done.

2006-11-23 [Sunrose]: The maximum size of moods are 40 pixels wide and 25 pixels high :)

2006-11-25 [LvSha]: Oh..why my pandas don't seem transparent as I supposed? =S

2006-11-25 [Linderel]: They seem transparent to me. :o It's probably the PNG issue again. Your browser may not support transparent PNGs, and that's why they seem non-transparent to you.

2006-11-25 [LvSha]: ...I changed a browser just now and it worked...thank you [Linderel] :)

2006-11-25 [LvSha]: But haven't found out the moodpage yet...maybe later...orz

2006-12-01 [lyubomir]: [Black Raven] nice emos ^^

2006-12-01 [Black Raven]: Oh!thanx! ^_^

2006-12-01 [Black Raven]: my emotions size are (40 X 27).whould i have to resized them?i mean are they big?

2006-12-01 [Ocean Soul]: 40x25 is the format, and you really have to follow that ! :/

2006-12-01 [Black Raven]: ok thanx.sure

2006-12-04 [Rozy]: is there an easy way to resize them? I keep screwing mine up

2006-12-04 [LvSha]: You can't resize them in photoshop?

2006-12-05 [Black Raven]: i resize mine in phohtoshop cs2.and uploade them again.it's make too much time!

2006-12-06 [Sunrose]: [Rozy]: I have removed your entries because as you know they are too wide, and I don't want others to become confused about the sizes :/
It might be problematic to resize only the width, instead you may have to cut a little from the edges..

To the rest of you: Please don't forget to add your entries to the moodspage :)

2006-12-06 [Black Raven]: should we upload our moods in (YOUR OWN EMOTIONS)?if not,where is moodspage?

2006-12-06 [Sunrose]: The moodspage is on the right above the statusbar, you have to click on the word 'mood' :)

2006-12-06 [Black Raven]: thank you.is there the other way to don't upload them again?(copy the url address and past?)

2006-12-06 [Sunrose]: If you want to put them on the moodspage, you have to upload the image there again. I hope that's what you're asking :)

2006-12-06 [Black Raven]: yes.tahnk you.

2006-12-06 [Black Raven]: OMG!what the hell i doing there!
the last 8 or 10 emotions that i upload in the moodpage weren't gif!and just have a green background,and the other problem was their names that i think do all of them wrong

2006-12-06 [LvSha]: I uploaded my mood icons to moodspage, but later found they turned out jpg but not png and not transparent(with a white background, at least that's what I found out with firefox), besides there you couldn't choose file format like in wiki privs...I'm confused... =S

2006-12-06 [Sunrose]: [Black Raven]: Most of them have been uploaded correctly, only some turned out as .jpg . You'll have to try those ones as .gif again :)
[LvSha]: .png's don't seem to work for the moodpage, you have to save them as .gif's and then upload them there :)

2006-12-06 [LvSha]: thanks [Sunrose] =)

2006-12-06 [Sunrose]: When you upload the new ones, I'll remove the old ones :)

2006-12-06 [Black Raven]: thank you :) I upload the new ones.

2006-12-07 [xido]: Wait, so these should be uploaded to the Mood page even before the contest is over? I thought we were supposed to wait for the contest to be over before that happened? I only uploaded one for my own mood one day, and the dragon scales to my page on Dragons.... Should I upload each of these to the public mood realm?
-will

2006-12-07 [Sunrose]: You have to upload them to this page, then notify me in these wikicomments that you will upload them to the moodspage.
If we wait until the contest is over, I'm pretty sure half of the contestants will have forgotten about it. Which would make this contest pointless :(

2006-12-07 [xido]: I have not uploaded them yet, but I will not forget about this contest. As long as you make a post about it before it's over, I think I will be alright. ;)

2006-12-08 [Black Raven]: is there anyway to delet the JPG moods(i was uploaded the gif instead of jpg)?

2006-12-08 [Sunrose]: I believe I fixed that already, there are no .jpg moods on the public moodspage..
They will probably still appear though in your own mood images. You have to click 'manage your mood images' and remove the .jpg ones from the list :)

2006-12-08 [Black Raven]: thank u!

2006-12-10 [Sunrose]: Just so everyone doesn't forget: A collection needs to have a minimum of 10 moods... :)

2006-12-10 [Elegy - gone]: Actually, it's five =P says so in the rules ;)

2006-12-10 [someelf]: :) stories :3

2006-12-10 [Sunrose]: lol, 5 then, but some entries haven't met that minimum either :P

2006-12-11 [xido]: Questions: - If my moods are still .jpgs is that an issue?
  - Should I upload the moods to the public, or to my own mood collection?
-will

2006-12-11 [Black Raven]: i have a question 2!
should we upload 10 moods at all or 10 for each group(10 in valentine 10 in emotions and ...)??

2006-12-11 [Elegy - gone]: You upload 5 in each group ^_^

2006-12-11 [Ocean Soul]: 'At least' five in each group. Can be more, but not less than that :)

2006-12-11 [Elegy - gone]: Yeah, what Ocean said >.> At least 5.

2006-12-11 [Sunrose]: [xido]: If your moods are supposed to have transparent backgrounds, then yes it is an issue..

2006-12-12 [Black Raven]: whatabout seasons?they can't be more than 4!

2006-12-12 [Ocean Soul]: You can have different images for the same season, ne. You can for example have a collection of autumn moods. So yes, for season you need to have at least 5 images for a set as well.

2006-12-12 [Black Raven]: ok thanx

2006-12-12 [Ocean Soul]: :)

2006-12-12 [LvSha]: I've uploaded mine to mood space, expect that "angry mood", I changed it into gif but no matter how many times I tried it just doesn't look transparent at all in that space...mayebe we aren't supposed to be angry....:P

2006-12-12 [Black Raven]: question(maybe it be a little stupid ques!):should we make a modd for All groups?

2006-12-12 [LvSha]: I don't think so...I like your emotion moods btw...so many funny looks X)

2006-12-12 [Ocean Soul]: You don't need to have a mood for all themes, no. You can pick the themes you like and make moods for those; just watch out so in the end each theme-set will contain at least five images (your 'Hobbies', 'Halloween' and 'Valentine' moods for example are not complete yet) :)

2006-12-12 [Black Raven]: ok!understand!!thanx!

thank you [LvSha]

2006-12-21 [xido]: All uploaded. Titles on the first few might be funny (I didn't know if they needed to have .jpg after the names), and need changing.
-will

2006-12-21 [Sunrose]: [xido]: It looks like you did it the right way, they are now among the moods ^^
Hey, [Black Raven], also please upload all the other types of emotions that you submitted *^^*

2006-12-21 [Black Raven]: aha!ok!sure ;)

2006-12-21 [Black Raven]: eh!no i don't understan! i guess you say the last emotions but i uploaded them!what should i upload?!

2006-12-21 [Sunrose]: All the seasons, Halloween, Christmas and hobbies too? :)

2006-12-21 [Black Raven]: AH!no!ok i uplad them now :)

2006-12-27 [Sunrose]: [Lakayana]: that image is too big to be a moodimage..

2007-01-08 [Artsieladie]: If anyone knows what the problem is in uploading png's into the moods, please tell me! I've made these all in png's as well & I'd much rather upload them as such, b/c a png is a much better quality image than a gif.
Example: (gif)---> & (png)--->
A gif can't hold a candle to a png! :(

2007-01-08 [iippo]: The png is not transparent in all browsers. Or you mean you can't upload the png into the public mood-images?

2007-01-08 [Artsieladie]: This is what happens to it: ---> It's the same thing that happens if you re-size w/o inserting ! u Q t ! w/o the spaces. :( I use Mozilla Firefox, which recognizes the png format. I do not have any problems uploading png's, otherwise, however, just as a mood. I could understand if it had to be re-sized here by ET, but there is no need to, b/c it's within the size limit. :P

2007-01-14 [Sunrose]: The contest's deadline is tomorrow at midnight, some of you haven't completed your entries yet! There has to be a minimum of 5 per theme :/
Others haven't uploaded them to the moodspage yet, please do that asap :)

2007-01-14 [Artsieladie]: I was hoping for a response from [iippo], but if not, I'll have to upload them as gifs. Yuk! :(

2007-01-15 [Lady Chaos]: Wait, we have to upload them to the "moodspage"... is that this page? Or just upload them like when you click on "mood" on the sidebar and go from there? (I did that today).

2007-01-15 [Sunrose]: "upload them like when you click on "mood" on the sidebar and go from there"
Yes :)

2007-01-15 [Black Raven]: question:what time is it right now in elftown?is it LA time or anywhere else?

2007-01-15 [Linderel]: The time can be seen above the mood field. :3

2007-01-15 [Black Raven]: eh!i didn't see it befor!

2007-01-15 [Linderel]: Hehe, well, it is kind of small, easy to miss. :P

2007-01-15 [Artsieladie]: Spoke to True. He says that this prob that I've previously described is a "reportable bug". However, I have no time to deal with any of this at present for I have to go to the hospital. My Mom isn't doing well & I need to be with her! Later! Please pray! 

2007-01-16 [Artsieladie]: I went ahead & uploaded them as gifs for now.

2007-01-16 [Sunrose]: Contest closed!
[Alexxei], [Lakayana], [lyubomir]: Your entries have been removed. The minimum amount of Moods per theme was 5, you submitted less.
[Just.Kate]: Please upload your mood to the moodspage :)

2007-01-17 [lyubomir]: ...well its ok but mine WERE 5 you know..

2007-01-17 [Linderel]: No, you had one image for the 'emotions' theme and four images for the 'Christmas' theme. That together indeed does make five, but that doesn't matter - you should have had five for both themes for them to be accepted.

2007-01-17 [lyubomir]: oh .. ok then ^^

2007-01-23 [Lakayana]: waoh! thats ok. Best of luck to all those who entered :-)